4E Incompetency: The Yogi Hat Ranger

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:21 pm

Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:52 pm

Psychic Robot wrote:Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

It's just a lame conversation honestly. People ranting about how the combo doesn't work because it shouldn't work. When honestly it's not een a combo. It's just a straight immunity to death, damage, and incapacitating status effects. But what's really sad is that the people ranting don't even know how 4e targeting rules work.

Shue wrote:This is fairly easily circumvented.

Target scorching burst (or any AOE effect) one square away from the ranger. HE'S not targetted.

Boom, he gets hit. Once he's at zero, finish him and his little dog, too.

Scorching Burst wrote:Target: Each creature in burst

Sigh.

-Username17

Panzeh · Post by **Panzeh** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:55 pm

20+ play isn't much better in 4e than in 3.x.

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:57 pm

Psychic Robot wrote:Roy, here is a link to fail in action. It's actually pretty boring right now. Any suggestions on how to spice it up?

First, you need the Yogi Hat pic. Illustrations are key.

Absentminded_Wizard · Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:57 pm

There was one guy who pointed out that you could use forced movement effects to separate the two regardless of Fused Fate. He was the only one who had a legitimate point.

RandomCasualty2 · Post by **RandomCasualty2** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:05 pm

Panzeh wrote:20+ play isn't much better in 4e than in 3.x.

Yeah, it's really not. Only the combos go in different ways. In 3.x it was way too easy to kill shit to the point that everything is some ridiculous death combo.

In 4E, it's all about being immortal. Even something as basic as demigod regeneration + stoneskin makes you basically immortal unless you're vastly outmatched.

Then again, a battlerager can do that at a lower level.

MartinHarper · Post by **MartinHarper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:18 am

I like the poster claiming "damage is not an effect" by referencing PHB p55 and p276, which say the exact opposite. Page 55 says "A power that deals acid damage is an acid effect", and page 276 has the line about "When you hit, you usually deal damage and sometimes produce some other effect".

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:04 am

Absentminded_Wizard wrote:There was one guy who pointed out that you could use forced movement effects to separate the two regardless of Fused Fate. He was the only one who had a legitimate point.

Can't you share effects with your animal companion?

Absentminded_Wizard · Post by **Absentminded_Wizard** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:47 am

You're right. I missed the fact that you can split up the movement and make it in the same direction for both parties.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:29 am

Absentminded_Wizard wrote:You're right. I missed the fact that you can split up the movement and make it in the same direction for both parties.

But if you can throw an attack at him that provides 20 squares of forced movement and enough damage to drop the Ranger simultaneously then you can be confident that he'll put all the movement on Yogi rather than drop himself. And then if you subsequently do enough damage to drop him before he uses the recalling harness on his next action then he'll go down. Which is as close to impossible as anything in 4e D&D.

The only way to stop him in any practical fashion is to put up something that blocks line of sight that doesn't target either one. Wall of Fog is actually a good start. Because while the Ranger can share the fog's effect of granting concealment, he is momentarily kind of vulnerable (except for the part where he has fucking concealment and his window of vulnerability only lasts until the beginning of his next action when he will shift out of his predicament.

Seriously, the Ranger has a response that will almost certainly work to every single attack in the game. The only thing he really fears is complete darkness, and he's 30th level so he can get around that.

-Username17

Orion · Post by **Orion** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:38 am

I'm fairly sure 20th level D&D casters could also be immortal if they felt like it. It did take more work though.

MartinHarper · Post by **MartinHarper** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:25 am

It's worse than that: Recalling Harness is an immediate interrupt. As soon as the ranger becomes bloodied for the first time in an encounter, he can resummon his pet, even if his pet is being hurled through hell.

CatharzGodfoot wrote:Can't you share effects with your animal companion?

The effect is "slide target X squares" - I don't see any indication that if that effect is shared, both targets have to be slid in the same direction. If you look at other multi-target slide effects, folks don't have to be moved in the same direction (and, in general, they cannot be, as they might be in different starting squares).

Josh_Kablack · Post by **Josh_Kablack** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 3:01 pm

But you know, there's um... stuff you can do. It's just... really hard.

Hope Ranger Rick never has to fight any Drow.

Crissa · Post by **Crissa** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 9:25 pm

The only thing he fears is the dark? O-o

Who's afraid of the dark?

-Crissa

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:07 pm

Crissa wrote:The only thing he fears is the dark? O-o

Who's afraid of the dark?

-Crissa

It completely blocks LoS, and hence immortality.

MartinHarper · Post by **MartinHarper** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:24 pm

CatharzGodfoot wrote:It completely blocks LoS, and hence immortality.

Goggles of Night, level 14 head slot item: gain permanent darkvision.

cthulhu · Post by **cthulhu** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:58 pm

hence the if he's level 30 he can get around that remark me thinks. But it does mean a darksight item is mandatory.

Caedrus · Post by **Caedrus** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:35 am

Was there a point to that?

IGTN · Post by **IGTN** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:39 am

Caedrus wrote:Was there a point to that?

You mean the Frantic post? No. Put him on your ignore list; we're discussing this over here.

Psychic Robot · Post by **Psychic Robot** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:42 am

I didn't realize it was porn at first.